The story does not seem to be corroborated by any other source. The only concrete reference in the article is to one Vladimir Kiselyov, age 37, of Mezhdurechensk in southwestern Siberia’s Kemerovo Oblast, who supposedly started up a group on Facebook promoting the idea. The Pravda article then connects this very tendentiously to the idea put forth by Zbigniew Brzezhinski, President Jimmy Carter’s national-security advisor (and one of the architects of the now-decades-old Afghanistan mess), for a “new commonwealth from Vancouver to Vladivostok.” (Look at a map, though; that just indicates a vast swath of the Pacific.)
Mikhail Bakunin
Siberia’s regional coat of arms (unofficial)
Flag of the Tuva Republic
But let’s think for a moment what would happen if the U.S. annexed Siberia. For one thing, Siberia makes up more than three-quarters of Russia’s territory, so the United States would suddenly move from third-largest country in the world (or fourth-largest, if you count Taiwan as part of China and decline to include U.S. overseas territories) to an easy number one—almost 9 million square miles (ca. 23,310,000 square km) in extent, exceeding by more than 2 million square miles (ca. 5,180,000 square km) Russia’s current size. Russia, meanwhile, would plummet from first place to 19th, with just over a million and a half square miles. The new top-20 ranking would be: 1. U.S., 2. Canada, 3. China, 4. Brazil, 5. Australia, 6. India, 7. Argentina, 8. Kazakhstan, 9. Algeria, 10. Democratic Republic of the Congo, 11. Denmark (including Greenland), 12. Saudi Arabia, 13. Mexico, 14. Indonesia, 15. Sudan (north), 16. Libya, 17. Iran, 18. Mongolia, 19. Russia, 20. Peru.
Russia would be smaller than Kazakhstan. Just get your pointy head around that, Putin.
One of several unofficial flags of Siberia, though Siberians, on the whole,
tend to consider Siberia a region, not a nation. Looks to me like a lynx
that’s got a hold of a mink, no?—or a minx that’s got hold of a link
... or something like that.
tend to consider Siberia a region, not a nation. Looks to me like a lynx
that’s got a hold of a mink, no?—or a minx that’s got hold of a link
... or something like that.
If Siberia joined the U.S. as one state, it would be by far the largest state, and in fact would be considerably larger than all the other fifty states put together, and larger than any single country in the world. More likely is that Siberia’s 27 (out of Russia’s total of 83) constituent “federal subjects”—the republics, autonomous regions, krais, oblasts, and okrugs that are its provinces and territories—would join the U.S. as separate states, for a total of 77. This would create, for one thing, a flag question. The red and white stripes would possibly end up alongside a slightly unfamiliar rectangle featuring an 11-by-7 grid of stars:
—unless one went with alternating lines, specifically five rows of nine alternating with four rows of eight, which looks more like our current flag:
(See this article on the mathematician Skip Garibaldi’s attempt to come up with a formula for forming new star grids as new states join the union, and try this widget for generating flags for each number of states up to 100.)
Even better, Texas would no longer be the second-largest state, it would be ninth, after Sakha, Krasnoyarsk, Alaska, Tyumen Oblast, Khabarovsk Krai, Irkutsk Oblast, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and Chukotka Autonomous Okrug. Take that, Rick Perry!
Well, yippee-ki-yay, ever’thin’s big in the Sakha Republic.
But perhaps oddest of all would be the situation of one of America’s 77 states being something called the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, a desolate, Maryland-sized scrap of land just to the north of China’s northern Manchurian wastes. This forlorn place was Josef Stalin’s dumping ground for Russia’s Jews. Today, only 1% of the population is Jewish, but the territory was never renamed.
Location of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast
After all, there are the children to think about.
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Remember the submarine-assisted North Pole flag planting stunt the Russians did? They were trying to lay the groundwork for claiming the vast natural resources under the rapidly vanishing ice cap. That could be a big motivation for annexation, especially if Siberian land joined not as full states, but rather territories that were not subject to EPA regulation.
ReplyDeleteAnd unfettered timber harvesting! I think it would take at least a few decades for American corporate greed to render the area into a desert... meanwhile every US citizen could have their own log cabin! Oh, and we could re-purpose the Bridge to Nowhere so we could drive our SUVs from Alaska into Siberia and picnic in the Tunguska National Park.
I'd love for Siberia to become a U.S.State.
ReplyDeleteIn realty because you can can't belive everything.
I'd like Canda to be come a U.S state.
and thought not a true country Antarticia should be a US State
all 3 should vote on state-hood in 2014, ect,
After Purto Rico becomes the 51st state.
But not to contradict my, self like most Americans,
Russia,and The CiS should hopefuly conitue to be Democratic,
like they should always have been.
I'd like to contact the group on facebook via E-mail, if I could,
since I don't have Face-book.
Were can I get there E-mail, address.
Thanks Dave Fisherman.-U.S.A.
Vladimir Putin better leave office or leave in a more natural way soon, or his number of involuntary manslaughters will continue to skyrocket, as he allows police to kidnap the people, claiming they are under arrest, rape women and children, rob them, claiming it as evidence of stolen/counterfeit money or of forgery. Which is why they wear masks. They don't use masks because of the cold- they're cold-hearted, cold-blooded Russian police with ringleader Vladimir Putin as their head, which doesn't need a mask, since he's the ruler behind closed doors. All this, because he believes in domination, not only of his country, but of the lives of his people. He calls it maintaining; we call it betrayal.
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ReplyDeleteAfter Crime situation a lot of Siberians are ready struggling for their Independence. http://sibfree.wix.com/indsib
ReplyDeleteIf Siberia ever becomes a U.S. Territory, followed by a U.S. State, not only would the U.S. benefit from the natural resources, but the U.S. would also create a new beginning for Siberia. An American beginning. With American freedom and liberty, new jobs, better development across SB, and like Alaska- all Russians would be forced to leave, but would be welcome to return legally. And another interesting thing would be- the U.S. population would be low for its new size. A lower density. Either if at least 1/3 of the population moves out into Siberia, or if no significant amount of people move out to Siberia... at least not right away. Then the U.S. would have a lot of rural land. Either way, the U.S. would never remotely be considered overpopulated for the U.S. to reduce the national debt by at least 50% in a short amount of time. Once if Siberia becomes a U.S. State and not during a territory-status. THEN- as Ukranians have hoped, Ukraine could join the U.S., since rivers would be the main link between UK & SB. Same with (New) Georgia (NG). And whether or not Ukraine ever joins the U.S., the U.S. would allow Ukraine to annex back Crimea. Hopefully by the time if the U.S. annexes Siberia, North Korea would already reunite with South Korea, thus solving the problem of North Korea sharing a border with the U.S.. The annexation of Siberia would also make building of the Bering Tunnel link between Alaska and Siberia a priority. As well as the Lena Bridge in Yakutsk. And the trans-Alaska and trans-Siberian railways from the tunnel to the national rail system. Since if Siberia would be part of America, hopefully they name the trans-continental railway the Trans-America Railway. Although the railway across Siberia would be almost 2,000 miles in length, it would still not be as long as the first transcontinental railway, 1,912 miles long, completed in 1869, across nowhere east to west, which was built at a rate of .87 mile per day. And with all the gear for the cold and the development of machines to work in the snow, flatten a snow path for a railway and to clear trees out of the way, and with heat pipes to keep snow from burying such a railroad in such weather conditions, the Trans-Siberian Railroad could certainly be built just as fast as it would across desert. And if the bridge to Sakhalin and the bridge to Japan get built as Russia plans, before if the U.S. ever annexes Siberia, Americans could use them to travel by car to Japan and the Japanese could use them to travel to the U.S.. Unfortunately, unlike Ukraine and Crimea, Japan might not receive the chance to annex Sakhalin, although Sakhalin was never part of Japan, except at the time of the Empire of Japan. Given Japan's population and density, the Japanese could use the land. Also considering how relatively small Japan is compared even to Alaska. And the fact that although Sakhalin is small, the annexation by Japan would make Japan a good percentage in an increase of Japan's size in area. Although the Soviet Union was bigger than Russia is, and would allow the potential for the U.S. getting a far larger than otherwise amount of land, if the U.S. were to annex Siberia, I'm glad that Russia is smaller as it is than the Soviet Union. Because since the fall of the Soviet Union and up until if ever the U.S. annexes Siberia, a large amount of Soviet- or otherwise-Russian land for the time being, is off the map for good. Especially Kazakh (Kazakhstan today). And Kazakh-U.S. relations are very bright. Whereas Russia's relations with the U.S. are as dark as gamma rays.
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